Cray pots dont walk-or do they

Posted by Alec Baxter 
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I was just wondering where the etiquette has gone these days. It seems that if you dont get out to check your pots before 5am they are empty. Also the other day I had one of my pots knocked off. I was wondering if anyone else around mandurah has had the same problem. it just really puts a damper on things.Cheers
Alec
Hey Alex,
If you left your car unlocked at the ramp, with $50 sitting on the dash, would you expect it to be there when you got back?
Unfortunately, there are a lot of people out there who have no respect for etiquette, laws, common decency etc - we live in the "its all about me and what this world owes me" generation.
We went out from woodman point a few weeks ago and someone pinched the SS shackle from our winch strap - something that costs $5!!!!. Luckily, we were able to use one of the shackles on the hitch to get the boat up.
Due to the boom, there are a lot of less than honest people out there who ten years ago were struggling to pay the rent. Now, they walk in and pay cash for 25ft Trophy centre consoles!!!!
(no offence to the manufacturers and sellers of trophy boats intended)
Alex

While pot pilfering does go on it is not as wide spread as a lot of people think.
Unfortunatley there are days when you dont get crays in your pot however people are often prefer to believe that that have been "pulled".
Lice/ occies/ little cackers etc do a marvellous job of cleaning out your bait very quickly at times ( ive seen a 15 kilo dhuey left 24 hours in a shark net due to weather and it was nothing but skin and bone).
When you dive around down there there is lots of water without crays and you can be on the spot one day and get heaps but re drop the pot 20m away on barron ground. You think you're on the same spot but you aint.
Having said that , the xmas / new year period is probably the worst time for it , with large numbers of casual boats around who wont be setting pots but some times cant resist a look.
As for pots getting pinched , again it does happen however pots also move due to
- not being heavy enough - which shouldnt be a problem at the moment in the small swells - but definatley in bigger swells a lighter pot will move heaps.
- the most common cause is the rope getting caught up by passin boats. It can take a while to reallise what is going on especially when motoring. we have found missing pots up to 500m from where we set them.
- pro boats who run over the pots often cut the rope with their props.
- another often found problem is forgetting exactly where you put them in the first place, especially if you havent gps marked them. It is surprising how far away you can drift while baiting up the pot , takin crays out etc and some times you drop the pot back thinking they are together - especially if in a hurray- but when you find it you think - how did that get there.
The other thing that happens at this time is that the "tourists" borrow your pots for few days . Have found them in a group about a km away a couple of times.

but it is all part of the fun - enjoy it
Hi Alec,

I can't speak for Mandurah -I live near Geraldton.
I've suspected my pots have been pulled a couple of times this season. Always looks suspect when all your pot comes up squeaky clean. Can't be sure though, right? Wrong!
I've been away for a couple of weeks, and my neighbour tells me Fisheries were on the war path while I was away. As well as catching a bunch of people with under size crays, they also charged a couple of guys for pulling other people's pots.
Suffer in ya jocks, gents!!!

Mick.
We pulled our pots in last week and will leave them home for a few weeks now until the silly season has passed.

A few times we have gone out to Garden Island to pull the pots and as soon as you see your floats you know something ain't right. Pots that close together you could pull one from each side of the boat. Batton pots with plenty of ballast
We done alright since the start of the season so I'm not complaining, but not worth taking the risk over the next few weeks. Some pots catch better than others and this have done us fine this season so I'd like to keep them a bit longer................
Dept of Fisheries media release today [www.fish.wa.gov.au]

Big fine for pulling other people’s lobster pots

Offences from last summer had their sequel in a Fremantle court yesterday, with a fisher fined a total of $13,000 (including costs) for pulling rock lobster pots that were not his.

55 year old John Hirniak of Sorrento was convicted on seven charges of interference with fishing gear, under Section 172 (b) of the Fish Resources Management Act. Mr Hirniak will have 21 days to appeal his convictions.

Two Department of Fisheries officers observed Hirniak pulling nine pots in Thompson Bay at Rottnest at around 6am on January 4, this year and remove lobsters from some of those pots. It was later confirmed he had pulled seven of the rock lobster pots, without the knowledge or permission from the lawful owners.

Department of Fisheries’ South Metropolitan Compliance Manager John Breeden said the big fine was a timely warning as people flocked to Rottnest Island and other coastal locations for fishing holidays this summer.

"We do get reports from recreational rock lobster fishers, concerned that their pots have been raided, so this case is a win for those people who are often frustrated by illegal actions of others that leave them without a catch," Mr Breeden said.

During sentencing the Magistrate drew the accused’s attention to the fact that Section 172 (b) offences can lead to imprisonment for up to 12 months, in addition to a maximum fine of $25,000 for each offence.

Mr Breeden called on fishers who saw suspicious activity to phone FISHWATCH on 1800 815 507 and in particular to report the vessel and vehicle registrations to enable possible offenders to be identified.

"Valuable information from callers to the FishWatch illegal fishing reports’ service can and has led to operations to apprehend those who do the wrong thing," he said.

"The penalties for interfering with other people’s gear are there to confirm that law-abiding fishers have rights and that they should be able to enjoy the fruits of their efforts, without the risk of someone else raiding their lobster pots.

"Offenders can also be charged by police, under a criminal offence, for stealing lobsters from other fishers’ pots."
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TerryF
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Beavering away in the background......

So that was "55 year old John Hirniak of Sorrento "

Just in case you already forgot his name

Name and shame.....awesome

Mike
i have my gear id number engraved about half a centemetre deep between the bridle ropes when i put the pots out i do so with my disabled brother and we put our pots out in a square pattern about 20m from pot to pot so when you go out and find your pots in a nice line you know something is up and when a pot was missing using the other pots as reference points was able to find the missing pots rope floating about 1m under the surface
are you notified by fisheries when somebody is convicted of pulling your pots and once somebody is convicted is it possible to pursue them for compensation through cival courts or at the least take a restaining order out so they cant come within 100m of your pots or the ocean your pots are in
I would doubt Fisheries would go out to check the ID numbers on the pots in question. I beleive they sit on shore and just count how many you pull.
Fisheries wouldn't be likely to let you know anyway. They don't want a subpoena to testify in a civil case over $100 worth of crays.
Best revenge is to send Mr Hirniak a sympathy card and tell him you hope the crays were tasty.[winking smiley]
Just had a look on the white pages

He must have a silent number

Not that I would call him[grinning smiley][grinning smiley][grinning smiley][grinning smiley][grinning smiley]

Mike
Not good to hear Alec but so common in my shop unfortunately[:@]

I've heard all the story's over the years, some/fair few do get pulled by scum bags but many dont produce so the idea of someone tampering is high on the list!

My take

* Weight your pot's so they dont move.
* Bait & Check them frequently....earlier the better (within legal times)
* If ya suspect someone is pulling your pots then get out really early, take your torch & Binoc's..........catch em and if you dont see anyone well you'll be at your pot's nice and early[&:]
* If you catch bugger all then always blame pot pullers[grinning smiley]



Ryan,
I think that is what I just might do, what a brilliant idea even if it means gettin out of bed earlier.
Cheers
Alec
I know a pro cray fisher that give the same advice as you Ryan when a not too happy and cray less Rec cray fisher accused him of pulling his pots

Get there early sit back and watch


Turned out to be one of his mates (exmates)

That was out from Manduah
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55 year old John Hirniak of Sorrento

Lest we forget! Oh, and I checked. He's not a member here.[grinning smiley]
Michael you have no idea how wrong you are!
They do check float I.D numbers after alleged multiple pullings.
The fishery officers will contact you regarding permission to pull your pots
and take a statement. If the offender initially pleads not guilty you will be summond
to attend as a witness for the prosecution.
I can tell you Mr Hirniak was meant to be in court facing his charges
on the 22nd of Dec but pooed his pants and pleaded guilty.
Fisheries had multiple witnesses to sink his ass, me being one of them.
All i can say to everyone fishing rotto and surrounding islands is you are being
watched and will be caught.
...and for those who missed the news, same goes in Geraldton![winking smiley]

There's more than a few people curious to find out those three gents names.[grinning smiley]
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Offences from last summer had their sequel in a Fremantle court yesterday, with a fisher fined a total of $13,000 (including costs) for pulling rock lobster pots that were not his.

55 year old John Hirniak of Sorrento was convicted on seven charges of interference with fishing gear, under Section 172 (b) of the Fish Resources Management Act. Mr Hirniak will have 21 days to appeal his convictions.

Dear Mr Hirniak,

I'm going up to Quobba tomorrow for 4 days. If you happen to be in Geraldton, now would be a good time to pull my pots without getting shot at.

Hope you had a great Christmas.

Regards,
Mick.

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ORIGINAL: Michael Oates

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Offences from last summer had their sequel in a Fremantle court yesterday, with a fisher fined a total of $13,000 (including costs) for pulling rock lobster pots that were not his.

55 year old John Hirniak of Sorrento was convicted on seven charges of interference with fishing gear, under Section 172 (b) of the Fish Resources Management Act. Mr Hirniak will have 21 days to appeal his convictions.

Dear Mr Hirniak,

I'm going up to Quobba tomorrow for 4 days. If you happen to be in Geraldton, now would be a good time to pull my pots without getting shot at.

Hope you had a great Christmas.

Regards,
Mick.


There was a "discussion" of sorts about Mr Hirniak on FWA recently. The story, as i understand it, goes something like this. Apparently, the incredibly rich Mr Hirniak, was having trouble having his own pots being raped/nicked/tampered with etc, so was only pulling other peoples pots to see if they were his....[8|]
See this attached link

[www.fishingwa.com]
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That was hilarious, defending a pot puller on a fishing website is like pushing poo into a money box with a knitting needle.

Sounds like a load of cobblers. "My pots were stolen, so i pulled everyone else's trying to find em".

Yeah BS, sucked in.

Sounds like he owns a car yard somewhere, how surprising, a car salesman pot puller.

(apologies to honest car salesmen, i know there are at least a couple of you out there[grinning smiley])
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was good for a giggle weren't it Mancey.[smiling smiley]

But, still, he is very rich....[winking smiley]