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Ban on Power Winches - 31 October 2008 6:50:12   
Geoff Angwin

 

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Status: offline 		Could someone please enlighten me as to what this has to do with the conservation of the fishery? What proof is there that commercial pots are being pulled with these winches? I believe the Minister has shown which side of the fence he sits. To place a non conservation measure in a conservation issue just shows he will be a puppet for the commercial interests. I have never heard of or seen such a pish issue as to restricting a method of retrieval. This measure is surely aimed at the elderly and incapacitated thus minimising the number of recreational fishers by stealth. Minister you are definitely a crayfish.
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RE: Ban on Power Winches - 31 October 2008 6:57:30   
Simon Tocas


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  I might contact work safe and ask how much weight a person can lift and not damage their backs 


i think Jamie nailed it on the head about this.


i know a number of blokes over 60 and 70 yrs who use winches - and certainly not to pull the pro's pots

this one is more than strange



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RE: Ban on Power Winches - 31 October 2008 7:02:14   
Simon Tocas


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ORIGINAL: Geoff Angwin

I have never heard of or seen such a pish issue as to restricting a method of retrieval. 



Fords proposed restriction on power assisted reels was one - but the cray pot winch is right out there.

i'd love to hear even one person support this idea 

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RE: Ban on Power Winches - 31 October 2008 7:14:08   
Terry Fuller

 

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Status: online 		OK guys, some of those questions are valid and have been asked.

I will post answers as soon as I get them.

Ascribing personal motives by the Ministers for the proposal/decision without knowing those answers is another matter altogether.

I ask for people to treat this Minister with respect - or as moderator on this forum I will edit or delete any inappropriate comments without any further warnings.

The Minister addressed the Recfishwest Annual General Meeting last Friday.

One of the points he made was that he had been in the portfolio only a few weeks and would need to make some of the most difficult decisions ever faced by a Fisheries Minister, specifically the dramatic and unexplained prospects for the future of rock lobster fishing which is the worst seen in 40 plus years of research.

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RE: Ban on Power Winches - 31 October 2008 7:29:19   
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Status: offline 		terry ..........i think the general feeling here is that this decision to ban rec use of power winches is based on the presumption that we are all going to use them to illegally tamper with commerical gear ???

this is offensive to many of us ..........and is just a political view of the situation ..with some blatant input from the rock lobster industry ..........not based on facts ..............as im yet to read of too many prosecutions of rec fishermen for this ..............
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RE: Ban on Power Winches - 31 October 2008 7:42:44   
Terry Fuller

 

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The wording of the media release didn't leave much to the imagination.

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and we will impose a ban on the use of power winches on recreational boats to prevent the lifting of commercial pots.

Hence the questions I have asked this morning.

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RE: Ban on Power Winches - 31 October 2008 8:38:41   
Rick Ashton


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Status: offline 		Does this mean we can ban winches on Commercial boats just in case they wanted to pull  rec pots..........................

To me the banning of winches will do nothing to protect the stocks.
If the figures quoted are that the recs only take 3% how the hell ,is 1 or 2 shamatures who may pull the odd pro pot going to tip the scales so badly that we lose the right to use a power winch. We put our pots in at the start of the season and usually have them back in the shed a week before xmas.
In that time would put more than the new proposal of 24 each in the freezer to use as we please over the summer.......so this would now be against the law
Don't have a winch fitted, but may have to watch in case the anchor winch is deemed as detremental to the fish stocks

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RE: Ban on Power Winches - 31 October 2008 10:15:09   
Jamie Chester


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Status: offline 		The thing is this - the winch pulling is purely political - nothing about conservation - and the obvious reason is this - once a legal sized cray enters a pro pot it is DEAD - doesnt matter who pulls it!!  It is just sucking up to the pros and has zero to do with conservation.

I have an idea!!  Since pros are responsible for 95% of the damage lets remove 95% of them and then lets remove 5% of the recs - since thats the amount we contributed to the problem.  Perfect!!

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RE: Ban on Power Winches - 31 October 2008 10:17:15   
Jamie Waite

 

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Status: offline 		I am with you Michael
i think the general feeling here is that this decision to ban rec use of power winches is based on the presumption that we are all going to use them to illegally tamper with commerical gear ???
Are they going to delay the start time the pros can pull their pots to say 7 am so we can keep on eye on them, as they will have a winch and may lift Rec pots. Since they have had their pots allocation cut in half the pros won't need to pull pots in the dark anymore.
If you won't to safe all fisheries ban GPS's
Norman Moore and Frank Prokop will be receiving letters from myself, I find there accusation's OFFENSIVE and INSULTING. HAVE YOU EVER PULLED YOUR POTS WITH ONE OR TWO CRAYS IN IT WITH THEIR FEELERS MISSING, I have.
I will go a long to improve the relations between the Pros & Rec.

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RE: Ban on Power Winches - 31 October 2008 13:00:23   
Michael R King

 

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Status: offline 		A ban on using power winches doesn't sound logical at all and I think that it'll be a sad day if some rec cray fishers who don't have the brawn to pull pots have to give it away for that reason.

And I agree Jamie, if we truly want to save Aussie fish stocks that are boat accessed, ban GPS's and this will slow down those who cannot coastal navigate with out one.
Me think's that would sort most boaties out!!


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RE: Ban on Power Winches - 31 October 2008 13:43:36   
Benjamin Vermey

 

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Status: offline 		I have personally witnessed (and reported, with no response to my knowledge) more pros pulling my pots than vice versa.  Last season one of them even re-baited one for us, which was nice!

We weight our pots up pretty heavily, and almost bought a winch a few weeks back after another season of back breaking lifting.  Kinda glad we didnt now.  Serious safety issues with manual lifting in my opinion.

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RE: Ban on Power Winches - 31 October 2008 14:33:03   
Rick Ashton


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Status: offline 		Next thing will be a maximum weight limit on our pots
This will save on any back claims,and the damn things won't catch any crays because they are rolling all over the place

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RE: Ban on Power Winches - 31 October 2008 15:20:26   
Brett Flugge


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Benjamin Vermey

We weight our pots up pretty heavily, and almost bought a winch a few weeks back after another season of back breaking lifting.  Kinda glad we didnt now.  Serious safety issues with manual lifting in my opinion.











Lots of older folk definitely couldn't adjust to manual lifting (my father in laws back is gone now) and I would go as far as saying lives will be placed at greater risk due to longer duration to yank them up or desnagging some, resulting in deckies needing an extra hand which means one less person watching the sea for dangerous swell conditions.

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RE: Ban on Power Winches - 31 October 2008 15:31:10   
Michael Hermans


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I have personally witnessed (and reported, with no response to my knowledge) more pros pulling my pots than vice versa.


A length of anchor chain at the pot end sorts them out very quickly especially when their pot winch gets a hold of it

          

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RE: Ban on Power Winches - 31 October 2008 17:07:42   
Jamie Moir

 

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