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Big fish rigs - 28 October 2008 20:54:07

Matt Grosse

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I have recently read an article on big fish with big bait. I am looking into making up some new rigs for fishing out wide. The plan is to use 100 lb mono. I will use a three way swivel instead of a dropper loop and tie the line to it for the dropper. I want to do a two hook rig that will have a snooded hook with another 10cm lower. I have not joined two hooks on a rig before and need to learn how to snell hooks. I will be using pretty big baits so the hooks will need to be a good 10cms apart. I also need a new knot for tying the thicker mono to the swivel and the second hook. I have a few knots that i use regularly but the normal one i use to tie line to the hooks or swivel will not be the best with the thick line used. I am not sure whta it is called it may be a bllod knot. But it is the one you twist them pass the line back through and it pulkls up on itself. Any help would be really good. Any other big bait ideas would be great too. I will probably try a few different ideas and see which works best.
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RE: Big fish rigs - 28 October 2008 20:59:41

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What r u fishing 4?

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RE: Big fish rigs - 28 October 2008 21:20:34

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Me thinks this should go under Tackle Talk.

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RE: Big fish rigs - 28 October 2008 22:34:20

Matt Grosse

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Sorry, wasn't sure if should go in the tackle talk so put it here. I will be fishing for reds, rankins etc out around the 50m mark.
Cheers Matt

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RE: Big fish rigs - 28 October 2008 23:09:12

Joel L H Tinetti

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Crimps?

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RE: Big fish rigs - 29 October 2008 0:44:56

Matthew Doohan

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The uni knot isn't too hard to tie in supple 100 pound mono. Out of curiousity, what baits are you looking at using?

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RE: Big fish rigs - 29 October 2008 5:22:58

Cade Conley

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If you go to the trouble of getting some big livies out with you, yellow tail or something like that they are a great way of weeding out the crap on the bottom. Big reds, scarlets, cod and especially trout can't resist them. Use a pretty standard rig to get them down with hook through the nose.

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RE: Big fish rigs - 29 October 2008 6:12:32

Matt Grosse

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We can collect good livies from the pylons on the way out and i will also give that a go. I also remember reading on here about using whole mullet as a good bait for big reds. The article i just read used large strips of trevally or tuna. I will keep any leftover mullet from any barra trips and will try to troll up some tuna from any bait schools on the way out. I just need to get the rigs right and then hopefully things will work out.
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RE: Big fish rigs - 29 October 2008 6:27:22

Jamie Moir

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I've found the palomar pretty easy to tie in thicker mono.

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RE: Big fish rigs - 29 October 2008 9:46:52

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I've always just snelled the two hooks onto the line. I'm trying to find a good link to post up on directions but I'll give it a go for myself.

You'll need a hook with a suffieciently-large eye to let the line pass through twice. You'll tie the hook furthest from your swivel on first.
- Pass a small section of line through the eye of the hook
- Using the end of the line that passes away from the eye of the hook, wrap tightly around the shank of the hook and the line that you passed through initially. You need to wrap the line starting at the eye and move down the shank.
- After 6 or so wraps, pass that long tag-end back through the eye and pull it all nice and tight.
- That will have the first hook tide on. You can repeat the process with the second hook after determining how far up the line you want it.

You can then simply tie that onto your three-way swivel. Done.

I hope that makes sense. I'll try to find a good link or two.

EDIT - here you go http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=WHlNb_VdIG0&feature=related It even adds a little bit about passing back through an extra loop. I've never done that, but I've also never had one fail.

< Message edited by Jarrod Heglund -- 29 October 2008 12:38:00 >

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RE: Big fish rigs - 29 October 2008 10:05:29

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Here is a good site with heaps of animated knots, including a snell.

http://www.animatedknots.com/indexfishing.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com

Good luck!

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RE: Big fish rigs - 29 October 2008 11:46:18

Matt Kazazi

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If you want to be lazy with knots, tie two hooks to individual pieces of line. Take the shorter one and crimp it just above the hook on the longer line (you can blob the end of the line if you want). Its strong enough if you do it properly, but therein lies the problem :p

I use a snell as shown in the animated knots for the bottom hook. For the top hook, I use a snood that allows you to place the hook exactly where you want. Neither knot goes through the eye twice (and the upper hook doesnt even need to go through the eye). No problems tying in 100lb. I'll have to find a picture, but for now, the best text explanation I can do:
Lay the shank where you want it go, parallel with the line. Take the line and make a big loop to end up with the tip of the tag parallel with the shank and the line that was alligned, with 2-3cm sticking out past the eye (you can pass it through if you like). Similar to the start of other snells. With one finger and thumb hold the shank and the two bits of line parallel. With your other hand, take the top bit of the large loop, with your finger and thumb facing the eye (reasonably close, a couple of cm's) Make one rotation around the shank, and the two pieces of line. Make sure for the second rotation that you cross over the line and keep it tight enough to stop the coils going everywhere, then make a few more close turns down the shank (about 6-7). Then pin it there with your finger and thumb, wet the line and pull the tag until tight.

Its a strong knot, it doesnt need the eye so you can use straight eyed hooks, and it allows you to place the upper hook after the lower and place it exactly where you want. I should be able to get you a picture when I get home if you're interested

To the swivel, I use a uni knot, with about 4 turns in 100lb, tightened with a pair of pliers.

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RE: Big fish rigs - 29 October 2008 12:00:38

Graham Wardley

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I am a big fan of crimping with oval crimps & the proper tool. I use flourocarbon (80 lb) leader as well so crimps are the best option. I also use circle hooks so not much use for snelling/snooding, but I have thought of using a snooded hook just to present the bait better.

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RE: Big fish rigs - 29 October 2008 18:50:36

Brian Guest

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Matt

try these sites - the first gives some really good pictures also has the snell in there

i prefer the uni for most knots

http://www.animatedknots.com/index.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com
http://www.leadertec.com/tipsandtechniques/knots_index.html

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RE: Big fish rigs - 29 October 2008 20:23:07

Matt Grosse

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Thanks guys. This is the info i was after. I will experiment with a few rigs and knots until i get a couple i can tie easily. I remember mark smith showing me how he tied a rig for mulloway fishing and i just could not get how to snood a hook in the middle of the line. I will snell the bottom hook and practice the snooded one till i get it right. Hopefully it will "Knot " take to long to get right. Thanks for the links as well. This site is such a good resource.

Today i went out to collect some bait for my next barra trips. Initially i could not throw a cast net but after posting in here got links to a couple of good little videos and have never looked back. Got some good bonies and some good sized mullet in case we have trouble getting them live in the creek. Always good to have a back up.

I will post some pictures of the rigs when i get them sorted. Then i will put up pictures of the big ones you helped me to catch.

Cheers Guys
Matt

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