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Commercial Demersal Fisheries Management. - 25 July 2008 17:02:42   
Terry Fuller

 

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Commercial Demersal Fisheries Management.

There have been some comments about the impact of commercial demersal fishing and continued commercial fishing for demersal fish during the proposed restrictions on recreational fishing in the West Coast.

I have been given the following by the Dept of Fisheries and an OK to post this. This will answer some questions.

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This is an overview of commercial fisheries management measures that have already commenced to achieve the necessary reductions in catch for demersal scalefish in the West Coast Bioregion.  

These management measures have involved bringing the previously open-access wetline fishery on the West Coast under formal management (through a management plan) and establishing a closure to commercial line and net fishing in the Metropolitan area (being an area of approximately 14,000km2, extending north south for 120 nautical miles from around Lancelin in the north to near Myalup in the south, between the shoreline and the 250m depth contour).

The commencement of the West Coast Demersal Scalefish (Interim) Management Plan 2007 (WCDSF Plan) on 1 January 2008 has;

. seen permits issued to the holders of Fishing Boat Licences that meet the criteria set out in the WCDSF Plan,

. restricted access to the WCDSF to those operating under a permit (it has also introduced prohibitions relating to the storage and transport of demersal scalefish, possession of fishing lines and selling of and dealing in demersal scalefish, for those persons that are not authorised under a WCDSF Permit), and

. introduced a comprehensive set of management arrangements for the commercial fishers operating under the WCDSF Plan, including, but not limited to, restricted access by Area/s of the Fishery , Vessel Monitoring Systems (VMS) requirements, fine-scale daily/trip statutory reporting of catch and effort, and gear restrictions.

Most significantly, the commencement of the WCDSF Plan has reduced the number of boats potentially able to be used for line fishing for demersal scalefish on the West Coast from approximately 1,250 to 60, and more or less overnight put an end to the market in (potentially unreported) and largely unregulated sales of demersal scalefish by occasional wetliners.

The Department is preparing to introduce the second stage of the WCDSF Plan on 1 January 2009, including (among other things) the allocation of entitlement and further VMS requirements.  The allocation of entitlement will result in each permit specifying the level of effort (in fishing time) that is permitted under that permit, and thereby result in fishing effort within each Area of the WCDSF, and the WCDSF more broadly, being capped, to limit catches to the prescribed Total Commercial Catch (TCC) settings for each Area of the WCDSF.  

Having introduced the Metropolitan Area commercial closure for the two commercial fisheries that have the most interaction with demersal scalefish (the WCDSF and the West Coast Demersal Gillnet and Demersal Longline Fishery [WCDGDLF]), the Government is currently in the process of buying-out approximately one third of the entitlement for the WCDGDLF to ensure balance remains between entitlement (fishing effort) and the remaining open "fishable" areas of the WCDGDLF.

On the back of the recent introduction of measures in the WCDGDLF to reduce effort by approximately 40%, these measures will make a significant contribution to the demersal scalefish sustainability objectives.


There is much more in these references for people who want to know more about the backgrounds to these:-

Fisheries Management Paper 224 http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/mp/mp224/index.php?0706 "Outcomes of the Wetline Review -The Minister for Fisheries' decisions in relation to the future management of the West Coast and Gascoyne commercial ‘wetline' fisheries"

West Coast Demersal Gillnet & Demersal Longline Fishery [WCDGDLF] Management Plan http://www.slp.wa.gov.au/statutes/subsiduary.nsf/0/452A4C5AD395670FC8257459002AD4B1/$file/15+west+coast+demersal+gillnet++&+longline+30.05.08.pdf

West Coast Demersal Scalefish Fishery [WCDSF] Management Plan http://www.slp.wa.gov.au/statutes/subsiduary.nsf/0/B61BE862CB5592A4C825738E00249C19/$file/west+coast+demersal+scalefish.pdf

Fisheries Research Report 163 http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/frr/frr163/index.php?0401 "Spatial scales of exploitation among populations of demersal scalefish: implications for management."

State of the Fisheries Report 2006/7 http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/sof/index.php?0706 Note. Only has catch data up to 2005/6.

This is a very big topic and a serious attempt to give people the current information. Please limit questions to the topic of WEST COAST Commercial Demersal Fisheries Management. There are plenty of other existing threads about the changes to Recreational Fishing rules, and plenty of other places for off topic comments.

The Dept of Fisheries reads these forum threads. I am prepared to pass on genuine questions/comments and ask the Dept of Fisheries for answers which are NOT already adequately covered in those references, but I have many other important things to do plus I will be out of forum contact for more than 2 weeks from 1 August.

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RE: Commercial Demersal Fisheries Management. - 25 July 2008 18:40:42   
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Terry, I had a brief look at the voluminous subject matter involving demersal scalefish based upon 3 indicator species, dhufish, pink snapper and baldchin groper, all of which are specially targeted by both commercial and recreational fishers.

Although the reports concede that the number of species of demersal scalefish in the area under review equals or exceeds 100 species, only the breaksea cod was mentioned in addition to the 3 indicator species -- unless I've missed something in my brief reading.

My questions are:

What is the complete list of species that are regarded as demersal scalefish for both commercial and recreational purposes in the area under review?

Which of the species in the complete list are entirely or substantially commercial, i.e. rarely taken by recreational fishers for whatever reasons that may apply?

Which of the species in the complete list are commonly taken by recreational fishers in addition to the 3 indicator species?

For my edification, answers to these basic questions would give some idea of which species ought to be managed relative to commercial fisheries and those that need to be managed on a multiple-use basis.

I doubt if the data applicable to 3  multiple-use indicator species has much relevance to the greater number of demersal scalefish in the region, but I am impressed by the extent of information presented for the 3 indicator species.

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RE: Commercial Demersal Fisheries Management. - 25 July 2008 19:07:32   
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There is lots of info on those general questions in the State of the Fisheries Report http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/sof/index.php?0706

and

Fisheries Research Report 177 http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/frr/frr177/index.php?0401 A 12-month survey of recreational boat-based fishing between Augusta and Kalbarri on the West Coast of Western Australia during 2005-06

I have already posted summaries from that in http://www.westernangler.com.au/forum/fb.asp?m=193277.

Suggest you read those two papers and that post in detail and see if you need anything else.

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RE: Commercial Demersal Fisheries Management. - 27 July 2008 6:59:09   
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Terry,
Thanks for the links. I had already downloaded the one involving creel census results dealing with about 30 species.

My interest is to locate the list of about 100 or so species of demersal scalefish referred to in the 141 page document dealing with 3 indicator species. I can't find that list in the download version of the document although it might be appended in the hardcopy version.

It seems to me that the central theme of the above document deals with real or potential fisheries management relationships between the 3 indicator species and the other hundred or so species named in a list, but where is the list?

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RE: Commercial Demersal Fisheries Management. - 27 July 2008 8:04:46   
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quote:

already downloaded the one involving creel census.... can't find that list in the download version of the document.....

Don

That's because it is in the other reference I suggested you should read.

quote:

where is the list?

Appendix 3, State of the Fisheries Report.

quote:

it might be appended in the hardcopy version.

The content of PDF versions of Fisheries Management Papers and Research Reports, etc on the Dept of Fisheries website have always been the latest and the same as the hard copy in the many docs I have used. Some early hard copy versions have introductory comments, eg from the Minister, added in loose leaf, but these are either added to the website PDF version or available separately.

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RE: Commercial Demersal Fisheries Management. - 27 July 2008 9:50:40   
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great reading there Terry - tireless, unrewarded work as usual.

no doubt the total catch would be considerably larger if the massive commercial black market was somehow taken into consideration (particularly with dhues and baldys) - but as the report states - this has been all but stamped out overnight with respect to demersals, due largely to changes in the 'open west coast licences' I presume.
I do wonder about the accuracy of some of the results with regards to many of the stats...such as..number of pipefish and seahorses trawled up. Can't really see the skipper rushing out to the sorting table to accurately record details - before the whole by-catch is thrown back.

There can be no doubt that the pro's have had massive cuts across the board (and the report seems to strongly indicate more in the near future) - but i think a lot of the concerns people are raising is in regard to the pro's access to demersal fish stocks outside the metro area.
It's almost devided the recs into "metro v country". The metro's face harsh seasonal restrictions but have %100 exclusive access - whereas the country (outside metro) have the same harsh restrictions yet have to sit back and watch the pro's lose FA (infact gain exclusive access).

I can't help but wonder if medium to large, permanant, no-take zones for both recs and pros - combined with the ministers other recommendations - would have been far more workable and resulted in less harsh seasonal restrictions. Maybe it was the all the oposition similar ideas have been met with in the past? Definately need them outside the metro IMO... but then the recs would be double whammied again.

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What is the complete list of species that are regarded as demersal scalefish for both commercial and recreational purposes in the area under review?


looks like the "area under review" covers the demersal species statewide Don?

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RE: Commercial Demersal Fisheries Management. - 27 July 2008 10:48:27   
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watch the pro's lose FA

Simon

Hardly FA. Answering that and any other wrong perception and repeated statements is the whole point of this thread.

The full set of commercial changes are being introduced progressively. Yep, plenty of arguments that this could/should have been done sooner and faster, but that's history.

The next part is coming 1 Jan 2009, just 5 months away now, which will make that statement even more wrong then.

quote:

The Department is preparing to introduce the second stage of the WCDSF Plan on 1 January 2009, including (among other things) the allocation of entitlement and further VMS requirements.  The allocation of entitlement will result in each permit specifying the level of effort (in fishing time) that is permitted under that permit, and thereby result in fishing effort within each Area of the WCDSF, and the WCDSF more broadly, being capped, to limit catches to the prescribed Total Commercial Catch (TCC) settings for each Area of the WCDSF.  

Having introduced the Metropolitan Area commercial closure for the two commercial fisheries that have the most interaction with demersal scalefish (the WCDSF and the West Coast Demersal Gillnet and Demersal Longline Fishery [WCDGDLF]), the Government is currently in the process of buying-out approximately one third of the entitlement for the WCDGDLF to ensure balance remains between entitlement (fishing effort) and the remaining open "fishable" areas of the WCDGDLF.

Yep, that leaves a possible allegation that the limited number of commercial licenced people are out there R&P the stocks. Dept of Fisheries and the Minister are watching and have said they will step in if necessary.

Proof will be in the catch statistics when they are eventually published (and publication should be about 2 years sooner than it is at present). After all the criticisms about how the stock situation got to this critical stage, I would suspect that people responsible will be keen to avoid any further criticisms of any lack of action....

The actual commercial wetline catch will be decided by:-

1. Setting the amount of the allowed Total Allowable Commercial Catch (TACC) for the year.

2. Calculating the average commercial catch per fishing day.

3. Dividing the TACC by the average catch per fishing day to determine the number of fishing days which can be allowed.

4. Allocating and distributing those fishing days between the licensed commercial fishermen. (Not enough for some for a viable licence? Bad luck. Some options:- sell the entitlements to someone else, buy some from someone else.)

5. Collecting the catch data - much more stringent reporting and cross checking requirements.

6. Adjust the TACC each year using stock assessments and anything else relevant. Adjusted down or up.

7. Monitor and update the average catch per fishing day and thus the number of fishing days which can be allowed in the coming year.

Yep that has the potential weakness that more than the TACC can be caught if the fish are there to be caught, eg higher average commercial catch per fishing day. But then there is the penalty that fishing days in future will be reduced, and the potential for an adjustment for "overcatches" to be applied, which means:-

"More than the TACC was caught this year, so next year's TACC allocation (and thus the fishing days calculation) will be reduced by the amount of this year's overcatch so that the total catch over a period is still within target."

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RE: Commercial Demersal Fisheries Management. - 27 July 2008 11:24:39   
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quote:

After all the criticisms about how the stock situation got to this critical stage, I would suspect that people responsible will be keen to avoid any further criticisms of any lack of action....


Maybe the media attention did touch a nerve.

Certainly there seems to be a greater effort on getting more info out on what they are trying to achieve Terry .

Much of the stuff you have posted recently has been along these lines, is this just your initiative or has the department been more proactive in seeking your assistance in getting their message across.

Seems some very stringent management surveillance is starting to get put into place , what has been put into place to ensure catch figures will be current and not 2 or so years lagging.

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RE: Commercial Demersal Fisheries Management. - 27 July 2008 14:22:47   
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These are all very complicated topics, covered in lots of different places and contexts. Most but not all is publicly available but that doesn't mean the rec fishing public knows that.

Most of the stuff I've posted is straight out of existing Fisheries publications from their website, included as links and references in lots of posts.

Some people don't know, some don't want to know, some should know (they have replied to my previous posts about the subjects) some can't be bothered reading the links, but they post opinions or statements anyway.

Lots of people respond to something in the last post they read without reading the rest, and things can (and have) snowballed to the point where people believe what they read because several people have posted the same wrong / misinformed / misunderstood stuff......

While some organisations watch what is posted on forums, (and of course what is in the public media,) most if not all Government Departments and big businesses don't bother to respond on forums. Many times that is just very time consuming but no win, no way - there's always enough vocal people with strong opinions who aren't interested in the facts.

There's some real rubbish posted sometimes. I post info because I want people to know the facts.  Lots of Fisheries stuff has been listed in the 36 issues of "Casting Around the Internet with Recfishwest" http://www.recfishwest.org.au/CastingAround.htm

Dept of Fisheries managers and researchers are under the hammer with staff shortages and very high workload, and their time is much better spent actually doing management and research.

So I said to one of my contacts:- "there are some details which aren't in any of these documents, and comments like xxxx and yyyy are not going to stop unless some more details are published to show they are wrong."

I was promised a summary I could post, it came the next day and the quoted part in the first post is that summary.

I have often raised the delays in publishing catch data and analysis in the State of the Fisheries Reports. Seems the Research backlog has got longer with the changes in reporting format, staffing, need for special and extra reports, etc.

Now they face reporting on two years' outstanding data, 2006/7 and 2007/8 which finished a month ago.

One possible way is combine this and do the analysis and report on the combined 2006/7 and 2007/8 data to start the catch up. I don't know what will be done, or how much time that would save, but do know that some influential people have said it MUST catch up.

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RE: Commercial Demersal Fisheries Management. - 28 July 2008 6:45:42   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Terry Fuller
quote:

already downloaded the one involving creel census.... can't find that list in the download version of the document.....

Don

That's because it is in the other reference I suggested you should read.

quote:

where is the list?

Appendix 3, State of the Fisheries Report.

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Got it, thanks Terry. Most comprehensive and illuminating. Probably should have been a reference item in the paper quoting it in connection with indicator species.
Thanks again,
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RE: Commercial Demersal Fisheries Management. - 28 July 2008 9:01:50   
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terry , some very informative stuff there , interesting that it is coming from a recfish person   however the info helps round out the debate

the question im sure most would ask of the fisheries dept or WAFIC , is why have this system of  effort /tacs, by reducing/managing  fishing days per  commercial unit ??

why not just go to a ten year average of previous catch , as all commercial wetline licences have at least that much history , regardless of the  current owner  , then issue a quota per licence holder , valid  for the next 12 months , ??

this could be reduced  by a % each year if wanted  very easily to reduce catch even further ? if it was required , it could also be traded between licence holders etc

there is limited ability to over fish a quota ,, with a penalty ,

the current sytem does seem or is percieved to be open to overfishing the TAC much more easily than a quota

a quota system  would seem to favour the fish , whereas the  days fished system favours the fisherman

maybe im wrong , but it certainly looks that way from here

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RE: Commercial Demersal Fisheries Management. - 28 July 2008 10:06:27   
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There are both advantages and disadvantages to both quotas or input/effort controls, but the choice depends on lots of things.

Interesting the swing in the Western Rock Lobster industry from anti quotas back to a significant number now wanting quotas. Yep I know the restricted available WRL catch and changing economics play a big part in that.

I can't recall seeing any published details of those advantages/disadvantages with particular application to WA wetline fishing, (it might be somewhere) but I know that suggestions about using a quota system received on the Wetline Review were not accepted.

Yes, effort control can allow overcatch in any one year.

The sting is in the adjustments and potential cuts in the following year which could affect the viability of the operators.

The limited number of licenced operators who are left in the industry for the long term have a vested interest in sustainability and a viable industry.

That is quite different to the "open access" of the past, particularly when most of the operators KNEW they didn't have any chance of any future long term involvement, so a cynic could say some might not care about sustainability.

The decision to use input/effort controls has been made.

As already posted.... After all the criticisms about how the stock situation got to this critical stage, I would suspect that people responsible will be keen to avoid any further criticisms of any lack of action....

The proof will be in the commercial catch data from now on compared to the yearly TACC targets set by Dept of Fisheries, and the ongoing status of the stocks as shown by the research to be done.

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RE: Commercial Demersal Fisheries Management. - 28 July 2008 10:48:17   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Terry Fuller


I can't recall seeing any published details of those advantages/disadvantages with particular application to WA wetline fishing, (it might be somewhere) but I know that suggestions about using a quota system received on the Wetline Review were not accepted.

Yes, effort control can allow overcatch in any one year.

The sting is in the adjustments and potential cuts in the following year which could affect the viability of the operators.

The limited number of licenced operators who are left in the industry for the long term have a vested interest in sustainability and a viable industry.

That is quite different to the "open access" of the past, particularly when most of the operators KNEW they didn't have any chance of any future long term involvement, so a cynic could say some might not care about sustainability.

The decision to use input/effort controls has been made.

As already posted.... After all the criticisms about how the stock situation got to this critical stage, I would suspect that people responsible will be keen to avoid any further criticisms of any lack of action....

The proof will be in the commercial catch data from now on compared to the yearly TACC targets set by Dept of Fisheries, and the ongoing status of the stocks as shown by the research to be done.

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terry , many of the commercial skippers i know are close to retiring , so im not sure how long term a view on their viable industry they will be taking , many will , the cynic may say they wont they will profiteer while they can then sell if they have anything  viable left to sell after further reductions

the dept has been slow to act in the past , given the shortages and lack of manpower etc , they are  now operating under , same as every other govt dept, you would have to be sceptical about any fast action to correct overfishing of TACS

the proof will be shown in the next few years, if they are able to report and act if this overfishing does eventuate
and how effective their system will be , if it does occur im sure we will hear all about the enviromental factors which had an influence on it as well

meanwhile i will sit on the land  and watch it happen during the closed season

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RE: Commercial Demersal Fisheries Management. - 28 July 2008 12:25:21   
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im sure we will hear all about the enviromental factors which had an influence on it as well

That (and lots more) is why Recfishwest has a policy on setting fish harvest levels:- http://www.recfishwest.org.au/PolicySettingFishHarvestLevels.html

The "maximum biologically sustainable harvest level" should take account of everything which has and will affect the fish stocks - and of course good information and research is needed to do this up front.

Yep IFM is not yet formally in place for demersal fish, but the Integrated Fisheries Allocation Advisory Committee (IFAAC) has been given the job, and most of the principles in this policy apply even outside IFM.

quote:

Recfishwest Policy. Setting of Fish Harvest Levels.

Recfishwest recognises that the setting of sustainable harvest levels is an integral part of Integrated Fisheries Management.

However, for a number of reasons the harvest level set for a fishery will not necessarily be the maximum sustainable harvest level.

In some cases the stakeholders in the fishery may prefer a lower harvest level which would result in a greater stock level that includes larger and older fish.

In other cases the existing stock may be depleted and there is a need to reduce the harvest level for some time until the stock rebuilds.

• Sustainability is the most important criterion and in the case of any doubt about the available information the harvest should be set at a lower and conservative level.

• Stakeholders from each significant sector in each fishery should be consulted before the harvest level for that fishery is set.

• Recfishwest will endeavour to represent the views of recreational fishers in consultation on harvest levels and where necessary and appropriate will examine the possibility of spatial separation to meet differing objectives between and within stakeholder groups.

Background to Policy.

Sharing the fish.


Integrated Fisheries Management (IFM) includes sharing the total allowable harvest level between indigenous, commercial and recreational users. Once the shares are decided, each group will be managed separately to ensure that they do not exceed their share.

An important decision for IFM is the determination of a total harvest level for each species of fish.

Harvest Levels.

In some places, this level is described as "the" sustainable harvest level, but any harvest level less than the maximum sustainable harvest level is still sustainable.

It is possible that the setting of the harvest level could be done in two steps:-

1. The Department of Fisheries could decide a "maximum biologically sustainable harvest level", and then

2. The actual harvest level, which reflects the needs of the sector at a lower biological risk .

Why set the actual harvest level different to the maximum sustainable harvest level?

As its name implies, the maximum sustainable harvest level takes so many fish that the numbers are unlikely to ever increase, many older and larger fish are likely to have been caught, and the average size will be smaller.

Many 'trophy' or Category 1 fish species are heavily fished, are relatively slow growing, have variable recruitment, are long lived, and are heavily affected by harvesting at the maximum sustainable level.

Recreational anglers want to have a good chance of catching a fish when they go fishing, and many might like the chance to catch a relatively large fish, or they might like to catch a number of reasonable sized fish. It's clear that not catching any fish, or catching only small or undersized fish is not in the interests of the recreational fishing sector.

The belief that they have a reasonable chance to catch a very large fish is an important motivation to many recreational anglers. These large fish are very important to genetic make-up and productivity of many Category 1 fish. Managing for the expectation of an encounter with these large fish requires deliberate strategies such as the maximum size limit for barramundi in the Kimberleys.

Keeping fish stocks higher than the biological reference point involves a deliberate choice to manage the fishery so as to catch and take less fish. Many fishers would agree that it is better to deliberately limit their take to only a small number of fish from a plentiful stock rather than their catch being limited intentionally as result of the stock being over-fished.

Differences between "Taking" and "Catching" of Fish.

"Taking" is the killing of fish, either deliberately to eat, or unintentionally through the mortality resulting from the fishing even if that takes days or weeks. Every fish killed reduces the population.

"Catching" is the activity of hooking, playing and landing a fish with all the enjoyment that gives. If this fish is handled properly and returned alive so that it has a very good chance of survival and future breeding, then the "catching" has not reduced the fish population.

Recreational anglers have worked hard on improving post-release survival of fish through better handling techniques such as the "Release Weight". However, anglers need to be aware of the mortality resulting from their catch and release activities. Actual harvest levels should include the total mortality of fish due to fishing activities.

Policy adopted by the Recfishwest Board 11 July 2007.

This policy includes recreational fishing aspects, but remember please this thread is about COMMERCIAL wetline management.

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RE: Commercial Demersal Fisheries Management. - 28 July 2008 18:59:04   
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Some people don't know, some don't want to know, some should know (they have replied to my previous posts about the subjects) some can't be bothered reading the links, but they post opinions or statements anyway.


Or don't understand the language used

Or don't have the time to read 180 pages

Or sick of the crap...etc. Plenty of reasons Terry and everyone is entitled to an opinion, no matter how misdirected

For Fisheries:

My concern is for the area north of Perth that is going to recieve increased fishing pressure from the commercial sector, yes and the recs also, due to the implementation of this closure. The commercials are going to fish during the closures and then the recs are going to hit it in the more hospitable months not under a ban. Bottom line the midwest is going to suffer.

Please, in simple terms, tell me my fears are mis-aligned

Tony

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