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Minister imposes new limits on recreational lobster take. - 30 October 2008 6:43:00   
Terry Fuller

 

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Minister imposes new limits on recreational lobster take.

MINISTER FOR FISHERIES MEDIA STATEMENT

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Fisheries Minister Norman Moore today outlined details of plans to limit the recreational fishing take of western rock lobsters.

Mr Moore's plans for the recreational fishing sector follows his announcement of tough restrictions on commercial fishers for the next two years to address the worrying decline in juvenile lobster stocks.

Mr Moore said that in addition to the 15 per cent reduction in commercial lobster fishing pots for the 2008-2009 season and a further 15 per cent pot reduction in 2009-2010, he would also impose new restrictions on recreational lobster fishing.

“Taking effect from December 1, or as close as administratively possible, the daily bag limit for lobsters taken by each recreational fisher will be reduced from eight to six,"  he said.

"There will be a similar reduction in the catch limit per boat from 16 lobsters to 12 and we will impose a ban on the use of power winches on recreational boats to prevent the lifting of commercial pots."

Mr Moore said he would also place a personal possession limit of 24 lobsters per licence holder. This will replace the existing "unrestricted" number of lobsters allowed per licence holder - subject to daily bag and boat limits - and will apply state-wide.

"This restriction will target hoarding and profiteering and help protect vulnerable lobster stocks," Mr Moore said.

"Starting next year, we will delay the current November 15 start of the recreational rock lobster season in zone C (which extends from Jurien Bay to Augusta and is where 80 per cent of recreational lobster fishing occurs) to coincide with the November 25 start of the commercial lobster fishing season.

"The commercial sector is experiencing some considerable financial pain in order to protect our valuable rock lobster fishery.

"I believe it entirely appropriate that recreational fishers shoulder their share of the burden to ensure the long-term, sustainable management and protection of this resource."

Mr Moore's plan to better manage the lobster fishery follows the release last week's of  monthly puerulus (young lobsters) figures which showed puerulus numbers were virtually nil.

This follows five years of declining puerulus counts and is obviously a matter of serious concern as it means the annual catch of around 11,000 tonnes of western rock lobster is under pressure," he said. (ends)

Media contact: John Duffy wk:  9422 3000  mob: 0417 932 985

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EDIT amended to “Taking effect from December 1, or as close as administratively possible, the daily bag limit for lobsters taken by each recreational fisher will be reduced from eight to six,"  he said.
Was previously "from start of season...."

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RE: Minister imposes new limits on recreational lobster... - 30 October 2008 9:38:25   
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Can't say that I am too objectionable to the 2 cray decrease - it would really only affect me once or twice a year.  I am objectionable to pulling cray pots up by hand though!

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RE: Minister imposes new limits on recreational lobster... - 30 October 2008 10:36:51   
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You would have to allow some of the older generation the benefit of a winch.
I know I find it hard enough myself sometimes if the swell is up a bit and the growth on the rope makes things a little slippery.

Don't think a blanket ban is the way to go.
I don't think we need further restrictions either but that's on another thread

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RE: Minister imposes new limits on recreational lobster... - 4 November 2008 12:26:44   
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/11/03/2408683.htm
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The Member for Geraldton, Ian Blayney, is urging Fisheries Minister Norman Moore to reconsider a plan to ban the use of power winches to lift lobster pots on recreational boats.....

Mr Blayney says he is concerned the measure would discriminate against people with disabilities and has written to the Minister asking him to reconsider.

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RE: Minister imposes new limits on recreational lobster... - 4 November 2008 12:56:49   
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Hi Terry,

I know it's a busy time at RFW at the moment with a new board and everything, but has RFW made an official media statement or a submission to the minister with regard to the membership's general feeling of disappointment and confusion with the new minister's rec' rock lobster changes?  In particular the banning of winches, but also the obvious 95/5% arguments that are being discussed.

I had a look on the RFW website and couldn't find anything. Sorry if I've missed it in other media.

Cheers
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RE: Minister imposes new limits on recreational lobster... - 4 November 2008 13:00:52   
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good to see the local pollie in there barracking for the rec cray fishers ............the banning of power winches is realy a nonsense ...........

anyone who has potted for crays will recognise the issues

1  there is very little evidence to support the claim of rec fishers tampering with commercial gear ......

2    their is a safety issue here ....a  smaller rec vessel is least .manouverable and thus more vulnerable to swell waves etc .as apot is being pulled .plenty of blokes like the idea of being able to get a pot on board quickly allowing them to get under way ...
.it isnt advisable to have multiple persons assisting in a pot retrival on the same side of small dinghys due to stability issues /capsizing etc

3  their is a big occ safety and health  issue in allowing anything that actually reduces the wear and tear on the body in pulling cray pots .ask any chiro about patients who he sees .......many blokes fit this category it then affects their working ability


4 if the idea of a spatial seperation of rec and commercial fishers  is an idea that may have motivated this then it will never come to pass .......ie rec fishers eventually get to have the inshore waters to themselves

plain fact is way too much of the commercial fishery is conducted in the under 20 metres coastal waters for them to ever give it up all along the coast .........not ever going to happen

5 with a tiny share of the total catch under the current IFM .rec fishers are basically capped with a quota .......so having the use of a power winch for those recs who choose to use it   is of no great significance at all ...in the rec catch limit ..having a winch of any sort isnt going to ..reduce  or increase the catch at all imho.

6 rec fishing is all about the ammenity /pleasure of going or doing it .by removing the power winch you will effectivly be  removing the ammenity or ability for some to participate in the fishery..........how can that fit with the rec theme of  TO CATCH AFEED AND  ENJOY THE EXPERIENCE ALONG THE WAY  ???

we build special ramps and jettys to assist those with disabilitys to particiapte in fishing ....yet we  allow the removal of an item which may assist the same people who physically need help to participate in a fishery ??  what happened to age/disability  discrimination ?? 

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RE: Minister imposes new limits on recreational lobster... - 4 November 2008 13:29:46   
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Cameron

The topic is being discussed by some RFW Board Members. The next Board meeting is Wed 12 November.

Yes it is a very busy time for the professional staff at Recfishwest with extended commitments away from Perth.

Because of that I can't ask what has been done verbally, but I know there have been some discussions with some people.

I don't know the details so I can't be as specific as I would like to be in answer to your question.

There has not been a media release about this, so that's why you can't find it.

All media releases are posted on the RFW website and are prominently linked from the home page and What's New page.

Watch this space....

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RE: Minister imposes new limits on recreational lobster... - 4 November 2008 14:52:06   
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what hezzy said    

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RE: Minister imposes new limits on recreational lobster... - 4 November 2008 15:20:33   
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No issues with the reduction in take. Surely rec fishing ethos should be "take only what you need' Not "take what ever you can to fill the freezer and give a few to mates".  6 crays is more than enough for a days take.  Thats a minimum of 12 meal portions of crayfish per day (and maybe more if you get some big ones).

preventing people from using winches is plain ridiculous.  Its not going to increase the take of able bodied fishers but will prevent the less able and elderly from enjoying there fishing for crayfish. 

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RE: Minister imposes new limits on recreational lobster... - 4 November 2008 15:36:35   
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ORIGINAL: Fraser Hocks
Thats a minimum of 12 meal portions of crayfish per day (and maybe more if you get some big ones).


I think that there is less meat in 6 crays than 4 category one fish (much less if you get some big ones). I don't see that it is reasonable to reduce a bag limit on the basis that you can't eat it all in one sitting. I'd like to see someone eat a whole 6kg dhu, let alone a big one. The reduction in bag limit will have no effect on my take, but I would like to see decent statistical reasoning behind it. 

For people who are only able to fish a couple of times in a summer it isn't much to ask that they have a few crays left in the freezer for a feed down the track.

Edit: To add: Thanks for the reply Terry.

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RE: Minister imposes new limits on recreational lobster... - 4 November 2008 21:13:09   
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quote:

I think that there is less meat in 6 crays than 4 category one fish (much less if you get some big ones). I don't see that it is reasonable to reduce a bag limit on the basis that you can't eat it all in one sitting. I'd like to see someone eat a whole 6kg dhu, let alone a big one. The reduction in bag limit will have no effect on my take, but I would like to see decent statistical reasoning behind it.


Cameron, I have to disagree with you.
This is one area they do appear to have good data on which is currenlty showing bad trends.
i dont have a real problem with reducing the bag limit , even though it is not a problem created by the recs. generally you fish 2 licences a boat and 12 crays is a very good haul.
The problem I have, like Hezzy and others, is the banning of winches. I dont use them , and wont be potting this year , preferring to dive for mine. However i would suggest that 80% or more of winches currently being use by amatuers are by our more senior fishers or those with a disbility, many of who would not be able to enjoy the pastime without the benefit of a winch.


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RE: Minister imposes new limits on recreational lobster... - 5 November 2008 8:15:07   
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ORIGINAL: Brian Guest

Cameron, I have to disagree with you.
This is one area they do appear to have good data on which is currenlty showing bad trends.


Do you mean the puerulus numbers, or is there data related to recreational take that is showing bad trends? The stats going around lately that we use 3% of out 5% TAC allocation suggest that the knee-jerk reduction in bag limit will have little to no effect on puerulus.

Pot pullers may use 2 licenses per boat, but divers tend to travel with 3 or 4 so will feel it most.

The introduction of a 4 day limit possession limit is a good step imo, and would do more to reduce the take by the few ruthless horders than the 2 cray reduction.

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RE: Minister imposes new limits on recreational lobster... - 22 November 2008 21:36:53   
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Changes from 1 Dec gazetted in GOVERNMENT GAZETTE, WA 21 November 2008 Page 4926 http://www.slp.wa.gov.au/gazette/gazette.nsf/gazlist/1C0DE6D57B45D94FC8257507001DD2BC/$file/gg195.pdf

No ban on pot winches.

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Fish Resources Management Amendment Regulations (No. 11) 2008
Made by the Governor in Executive Council.

1. Citation
These regulations are the Fish Resources Management Amendment Regulations (No. 11) 2008.

2. Commencement
These regulations come into operation as follows —
(a) regulations 1 and 2 — on the day on which these regulations are published in the Gazette;
(b) the rest of the regulations — on 1 December 2008.

3. Regulations amended
These regulations amend the Fish Resources Management Regulations 1995.

4. Regulation 16FA inserted
At the beginning of Part 4 Division 3 Subdivision 2 insert:

16FA. Possession limits — western rock lobster in the West Coast Region
Subject to regulation 16E(3a)(c), (3b)(c) and (3c)(c), for the purposes of section 51(1) of the Act, the maximum quantity of western rock lobster that a person may be in possession of in the West Coast Region is 24 western rock lobsters.

5. Schedule 3 amended

In Schedule 3 Part 3 Division 4 column 2 of the item relating to “Rock Lobster” delete “8” and insert: 6

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Regulation 16E(3a)(c), (3b)(c) and (3c)(c) set the boat limit for 2 or more people as 2 days individual bag limit.

Source:- Fish Resources Management Act Regulations http://www.slp.wa.gov.au/legislation/statutes.nsf/main_mrtitle_1458_homepage.html hasn't been updated yet (22 November) with the above changes.

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