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Nissan Patrol - 20 November 2008 6:33:47   
darren rinaldi


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Status: offline 		Hi guys just after some advice from some patrol drivers or 4WD enthusiasts. Im getting a 4WD next year and have made my mind up that it will be a Nissan Patrol. I just want to get some other opinions to which is the best model. I think i want a diesel but not sure which one to go with. The 3.0lt or 4.2lt. Apart from the obvious ones of more power and cost more for fuel for the 4.2lt, what are the pros and cons of both these models???
Driving up and down sandy beaches will probably be the worst conditions i go 4WD in, so its not like im going to do hardcore rocks and rivers ect. Towing my future boat and beach driving is what my car will mainly be subject to. So should i go the lesser model?? I also would like to know about the petrol 4.8lt, whats the pros and cons compared with the diesels. Ive been told many times that i should stick with the diesels as the engines will go forever especially for a 4WD but if im just beach 4WD is it really a major factor??? Im leaning towards the diesel model obviously because you have more torque with diesels. And even beach 4WD you can get into some tricky situations where that torque is handy. But im really not that big a expert on all the models.
Also if i find one that is gas converted does it surrender a lot of the power?? ive been told told that a gas 4WD is crap! not sure if thats true or not. Would like to hear others opinions.
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RE: Nissan Patrol - 20 November 2008 10:24:19   
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http://www.westernangler.com.au/forum/m_204678/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#205899

Plenty has been mentioned about 4wd's on WANGLER, read back through the 4WD section Darren. Early 3.0lt Patrols were time bombs, 4.2s lug along for ever.

I'm a diesel man but thats because we do a lot of towing and long distance, with the huge price differences between unleaded & diesel, plus initial cost difference if buying new the choice is not so clear these days.




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RE: Nissan Patrol - 20 November 2008 10:44:35   
David Adams


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I have had a couple of Nissans over the years.

New or used?.  Like Mick says early 3 litre Nissan diesels had a reputation for blowing up but I would think that they have fixed these issues after 8 or more years as there are hundreds of them towing vans around Australia.  I have heard mixed reports about the latest versions. 

As for longevity- properly serviced diesels will go for many hundreds of thousands of Ks but in reality how many people keep them for 20 years or more.  A good 4.5 or 4.8 litre Petrol Patrol on gas is definitely worth considering.  These engines are very good and Nissan transmissions are top of the line.  Modern gas injection on petrol motors reportedly loses only a small amount of power.   If you are worried about losing power then consider adding a unichip to the engine management system.

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RE: Nissan Patrol - 20 November 2008 11:55:51   
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Two years ago I set myself a budget and then looked around at what I could get for the money. Ended up with a Nissan Patrol 4.5 litre Petrol 1998 model and very happy with it.
Have taken it North a few times, tows the boat like a dream and is a great car to drive.
It is not the most fuel efficient car on the road, but I don't do many k's in it. On fishing trips I have 3 other guys sharing the cost, but most importantly it does not break down and leave you on the side of the road with a ruined trip.
If I was getting a new one I would definately go diesel, the new common rail engines are miles ahead of the older diesel engines that used to blow up. The big advantage is range and max torque at low revs.


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RE: Nissan Patrol - 20 November 2008 17:54:29   
darren rinaldi


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Status: offline 		Just for info my budget is about 35 thousand. So it will be a 2004 - 2006 model most likely!

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RE: Nissan Patrol - 20 November 2008 17:59:07   
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Status: offline 		What size boat are you going to be towing? if it's anything over 4.5m and especially fiberglass then make sure it's turbo and a 6 - forget the 3.0l   - keep in mind the 4.2 nissan turbo is the same motor as the non turbo - not really much more advanced from the early 90's- a DI Turbo Toyota from a late 80 series is a better option - **** of the full time 4wd with freewheeling hub kit or better still get  RV Troopy DI Turbo($$$) - last models before new V8, I have put in a order with santa.
Another good car is a 60series GXL factory turbo - 12HT Motor -dont be put off by the older car - there are old buggers all around the state that have trouble letting these beasts go -awsome towing car without paying mega bux - I'm thinking of putting one of these motors in my HJ75 RV Troopy if the old 2H gives up(non turbo and struggles a little these days with my 5.3 pacemaker.)
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RE: Nissan Patrol - 20 November 2008 18:03:02   
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ORIGINAL: Michael Hermans

but most importantly it does not break down and leave you on the side of the road with a ruined trip.
If I was getting a new one I would definately go diesel, the new common rail engines




Sorry for the Edit there Michael
Yep can always score diesel off the cocky's if needed
Just a point of interest IMO I would stay with an slightly older direct injection style as if you have any probs out bush the common rail could leave you stranded..
And the 4.2 is on the money for longevity and economy ,torque and reliability..
JMO...


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RE: Nissan Patrol - 20 November 2008 18:08:23   
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Status: offline 		Now I see the budget then forget the old 60!! - most modern turbo diesel 6cyl will serve you well - have you seen the 6 seater RV troopy's - very nice and good for the family - mega room for the fish'n trip with the boys.
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RE: Nissan Patrol - 20 November 2008 20:32:37   
darren rinaldi


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Status: offline 		Thanks for the replies guys. Ive been saving for a few years, plus bonuses at work came in handy Ive never spent this much on a car before. But ive always wanted a 4WD and ive got a bub coming and dogs so the familys gunna get bigger lol, anyway im sorta 75% leaning towards the 4.2 TD. Im getting a Trailcraft Profish 510 towards the end of next year so thats the boat its gunna be towing.  Ive been looking a online and in the paper and the best ive seen so far was a 2005 model 4.2TD with 74,000 on the clock i think for about $34999, i assume thats a good buy, gives me something to work on anyway. Just one question looking in the papers and online ive noticed the 3.0lt is selling in much larger numbers than the 4.2lt is this a omen??  are the 3.0lt becoming less popular or just not up to scratch as the 4.2s? Thanks again for the feedback, much appreciated

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RE: Nissan Patrol - 20 November 2008 20:57:37   
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ust one question looking in the papers and online ive noticed the 3.0lt is selling in much larger numbers than the 4.2lt is this a omen?? are the 3.0lt becoming less popular or just not up to scratch as the 4.2s? Thanks again for the feedback, much appreciated


Mining and construction companies are the biggest buyers of 3.0 litre diesels (Hilux & Patrols).  Vehicles are traded when they've travelled a set number of kilometres, or, at the conclusion of a project.   

A number of projects have just finished and more to come so expect an influx of  recent model tray backs and utes onto the market.

There's nothing wrong with the 4.2.   Hard trying to convince owners to trade up!

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RE: Nissan Patrol - 21 November 2008 6:43:18   
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I'd be looking hard at where most of your km's are going to be done - in a realistic way - not dreaming of getting away every w'end. As most of us do.

If you are going to be doing long k's away, heavy 4wd stuff and a lot of out of metro area driving then I'd go for an oil burner for the range,towing ability and comparative cost of fuel when out of town. Gas gets real expensive out of the metro area.

If in reality you are doing most of the k's around town - like so many of us do, then it would be a gas converted petrol donk for me (I have a 4.8 Patrol with injected gas) I paid 54.5 c/lit for gas the other day and diesel was $1.50!You will get near double the mileage with a diesel but gas is still way ahead in the economy stakes in the cars you are looking at.

The power issue isn't there with the new gas system, but they do drink it when towing heavy loads. So do the 3.0 diesels. A 510 Tralilcraft isn't a heavy load IMO and the 4.8 Patrol has power to burn.

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RE: Nissan Patrol - 21 November 2008 8:07:53   
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RE: Nissan Patrol - 21 November 2008 8:40:59   
Michael Hermans


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(I have a 4.8 Patrol with injected gas)


Craig
When you got your gas fitted, where did they put your gas tank?
Do they swap out the main tank or can you keep both petrol tanks and have a gas tank fitted elswhere?

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RE: Nissan Patrol - 21 November 2008 10:16:19   
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but they do drink it when towing heavy loads. So do the 3.0 diesels.
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Not sure I'd agree with that. 

Certainly the 4.2 is the choice for towing, and fuel consumption would not jump as much as it does with the 3.0L, but I get around 12L per 100k around town - hook up the boat (23ft of fibreglass - so it's not light) and my fuel consumption jumps to be around 17 to 19L per 100k - this is far less than I would use with many previous cars (Land Rover Discovery V8, V6 Forerunner) towing a 21ft boat.  Of course it all depends on how quick you want to travel, and whether you are punching into headwinds etc.  But overall I am extremely happy with the economy of the 3.0L when towing.  Just hoping that the gremlins have been sorted with the 3.0L though, the reputation for going 'bang' is a bit of a worry, but touch wood I have not heard of any issues with models from '04 onwards.




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RE: Nissan Patrol - 21 November 2008 13:08:41   
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ORIGINAL: darren rinaldi
Just one question looking in the papers and online ive noticed the 3.0lt is selling in much larger numbers than the 4.2lt is this a omen??  are the 3.0lt becoming less popular or just not up to scratch as the 4.2s? Thanks again for the feedback, much appreciated


Darren
The GU with 4.2TD was only sold in Australia, and was an option ($3000 I think).
The motor is the same as the one I had in my 1988 Patrol, with a turbo added.
On paper the 3 litre has more power & more torque, but the 4.2 gives you good torque from idle, you don't get that with the 3.0.
I have a 2001 ZD30 manual, the one that everyone says is a time bomb, it tows my 5.3m Trailcraft as if it was not there. The newer common rail ones would be even better & I would buy another Patrol.
If you were towing a large boat it might be woth hunting down a 4.2 as mine struggles with the 6.6m Trailcraft going up the ramp, nothing low range can't sort out, but it tows OK on the open road.
Have a look at government auctions, you might get a surprise how cheap a 2 year old one can be, with the balance of new warranty.
Graham

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