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High Speed Lure - 29 January 2004 8:50:08

Nick Schoeffer

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G'day all, i'm not sure if this is the right forum to ask this, but I was thinking about running a high speed lure on my way out to Direction Bank on my bottom fishing sojourns.

Would probably do between 15 and 20 knots. Target: Mack or Tuna.

Can anyone suggest a lure that may be worth trying and how far I should run it out the back of the prop wash. I am guessing I will need to use a skirt of some sort with a weighted head or am I wasting my time even chucking one out the back at these speeds ?

Thanx

Nicko

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RE: High Speed Lure - 29 January 2004 11:08:41

Ian Stagles

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Nicko, I'd run jethead lures like these http://www.meltontackle.com/shopping/category.asp?category_id=330[/link]

Hi-speed lures are generally weighted and should run in the water, not skipping. I'd run them as close to the end of my prop wash as I could and if I wanted to travel faster run the lures back a bit so they still hang in.

Two lures would do the job fine but three ina "V" shaped pattern would be better.

Always watch your rods as getting to where you're going and finding empty spools is a real bad start to the day!

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RE: High Speed Lure - 29 January 2004 11:17:49

Nick Schoeffer

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Thanx Stages for that. Thought it may be a good option to have something hanging out the back at this time of year while travelling offshore. - ya never know what may be around !

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RE: High Speed Lure - 29 January 2004 21:46:23

Mick Holt

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Thats a bit of neat thinking Nicko!

Certainly wouldnt hurt to have a few lures out the back while running to and from your fishing grounds. Being what they are you would think they should be fairly low in the maintenance department in regards to weed ect.

Stages, what would be the optimum line class to fish those jetheads, considering the speeds they would be trolled at?

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RE: High Speed Lure - 30 January 2004 7:13:57

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At least 15kg and better 24kg Mick.

The main species vulnerable to a high speed lure is wahoo, but inshore they're not so common.

Small tuna will hit these lures but bigger one's quite often miss, especially if the lure has head action ie. deviates from a dead straight line.

Mackies are a chance too as are marlin hence the heavy gear recommendation.

If the water looks a bit fishy, especially if there's bait there, pull the lures in closer to the back of the boat and slow down to say 10 knots for a while to give the fish more of a chance to grab the lure. Then kick it back up to 15 knots and carry on to your destination.

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RE: High Speed Lure - 30 January 2004 19:50:25

Mick Holt

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Stages

Just a quick one in regards to the hook set up for the jet heads.

Are they better off with a single or would you run a double?

Thanks

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RE: High Speed Lure - 30 January 2004 20:22:01

Geoff Howells

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G'day Ian,

Love the ;ook of some of these lures

Is there a distributor in Aus?

Regards

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RE: High Speed Lure - 31 January 2004 16:00:24

Ian Stagles

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A single hook, well back in the skirt, would be my choice for hi-speed work Mick.

Geoff, tackle like this you generally need to go to US sites to obtain. Many of the more successful jet heads eminate from Hawaii and firms like Melton Tackle are a good place to start.

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RE: High Speed Lure - 1 February 2004 19:03:51

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Tut tut Stages, Steve Badman (contributor to this board) makes some good high speed trolling lures in Australia - and we sell them - 5oz (shown here) and 9oz weights. Not jetheads but they put out plenty smoke anyway. They'll run at any speed you can drive a boat at, just drop them back further at really high speeds.

Read an interesting article elsewhere on generating multiple hookups on tuna. We've often gone with five or six lures out the back and had most up close, with one way, way back ('shotgun'). Some days it's always the shotgun lure that goes off. The writer's philosophy was that if you're going to have one lure way back, you should have three lures way back, and keep the boat going forward until the first hookup has emptied a lot of line (they're talking hundreds of metres) off the reel. By then you should have three hookups at least. If you only had one lure way back, you'll only get one hookup.

More a tuna thing than anything else, but thetre's nothing wrong with tuna.

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RE: High Speed Lure - 1 February 2004 19:06:07

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Oooops!

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RE: High Speed Lure - 1 February 2004 19:06:50

Hal Harvey

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Or wahoo - this was taken on a trolled 9oz Hot Smoker. Pic by Al McGlashan.

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RE: High Speed Lure - 1 February 2004 22:20:43

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Nicko I have trolled skirts before travelling at 20+knots coming or going , west end etc never hooked anything yet .This one stays in the water well with occasional jump and sends out a serious jet trail I put it way back . Most weed cant hang on at that speed. 24kg minimum and lightest drag possible I leave it slowly clicking. Be interesting to see if the line snapped if something grabbed it going the other way.

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RE: High Speed Lure - 2 February 2004 9:03:33

Nick Schoeffer

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Thanx for all that info fellas.

Hal: What's the name of those feathered lures by Steve Badman ? I didn't see 'em in Morley the other day so i'll request an order for one - the red/white 9oz.

Thanx

Nicko

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RE: High Speed Lure - 2 February 2004 10:07:31

Steve Badman

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There is no doubt that opinions on the value of high speed trolling vary, yet in the US where fuel prices are much cheaper, a lot of anglers would not go point to point without running something about the back, especially if the location is fishy.

Jet heads are one common lure used, but need to be at least 7 oz in weight as Stages mentions, to avoid too much surface skipping. The down side is that if your in wahoo country they will smack your skirt and frag it in one hit.

Heavy feathers are another option as highlighted by Hal and Tuna do love a fast moving target. I would add two other lures into the equation if your aim is both high speed and a lure that can sit just under the surface.

The first is a simple 8 or 12 oz firetail jig with a large, single, 10/0 molded into the head. While any colour set up is possible, a white head, pink or red collar and white nylon firetail on the rear with some mylar flash added in, is often a good start for wahoo. For tuna, a black head and purple nylon firetail is another good colour.

Run short or long, you will need a 24 kg set up as the tow loop is on top of the jig head which forces the jig head downward causing it to dive under the surface at speed. You can expect about half the degree of water resistance from this style of jig as a Marauder or similar style of bibless minnow.

The other option, and one I have been playing with just recently is a 300 gm cut face - chrome - trolling head with either a coloured thick bristle firetail rear or feathers. This heavy head is also forced under water and is another viable option at speed.

As Ian mentioned, if you get a hit then just drop back your speed and let the tackle run deep for a while, then pick up speed if no other strikes take place.

I will post a pic of the last two lures when time permits.

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RE: High Speed Lure - 2 February 2004 16:53:53

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Here is one example of what we use in wahoo territory. Again colour is a matter of personal choice, but the old coka cola colours (red black) are hard to go past, at least on this side of the coast.

http://www.demonjigs.com/images/wahoobullet.jpg

Mackerel would be more likely to go for the usual red/white combo I suspect.

Either way, and as mentioned before, a top eye towed 240 or 360 gram bullet head with a thick nylon tail on the rear is often the goods if your trolling quick. These heads create a natural dive action and are not able to be punctured. If you were a west coast US angler then a spinner blade on the rear of your hook is also a (frequently requested) must.

Personally, and if the wahoo/mackerel are seriously on the chew, then it makes little difference in my opinion. Most often it seems that the extra bit of speed, and the subsequent chase, is what they are really after.

FYI, a single 10/0 hook can be mounted on 250 lb wire to allow for the usual wahoo twist in an attempt to throw the hook, instead of the piggy back hook set shown in the image.

Either way, you end up with a tough piece of tackle that will go a few more yards than many of the current alternatives. When it comes to most high speed pelagics, the simpler - and tougher - the tackle the better.

If your in marlin territory then I am all for a very heavy cut faced jet with skirts and a set back 10/0 - 12/0 stainless hook, on as light as possible a drag setting, as Ian and others have mentioned.

Billfish "will" hit a fast travelling skirted lure, or feather, without a doubt if they are in the right frame of mind.

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