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RE: Gallop Screws Fisho's - 30 November 2004 10:17:53

Brad Edwards

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Thanks Stages

I am registered and ready to vote.

I will be letting everyone I know what's going on.

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RE: Gallop Screws Fisho's - 30 November 2004 14:49:51

Phil Hodgson

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Welcome aboard Brad

You must be prepared to stand up for your rights-it is a sad day indeed when your government turns the simple enjoyment of fishing into an election issue. Any reasonable proposal put forward by the government would have been met met with an equally reasonable response from us.

What Gallop is doing is Un Australian-he has no concept of the term Fair Go and should be rightly punished at the ballot box. Judging by the response I am getting from known labor supporters that is exactly what will happen-It is also very important for us to make a noise as we put Gallop out so that the opposition comes to understand we should be treated with respect-What we can do to Gallop we can do to Barnett and will do so if necessary.

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RE: Gallop Screws Fisho's - 30 November 2004 15:02:59

David Adams

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If Fred Reibling gets the flick at the election we can demonstrate to all parties that rec fishing can make or break a government. Just imagine if Geoff loses by one seat!!!.

We should be voicing our views to any new government that we are sick of being ignored and that our vote counts.

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RE: Gallop Screws Fisho's - 30 November 2004 19:20:57

Stuart Arrowsmith

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guys any news on how the radio thingy went,don't get a chance to listen during the daytime,but did have the office lady say she heard STAGES on at some stage

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RE: Gallop Screws Fisho's - 30 November 2004 22:12:50

Tony Harding

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Was on just before lunch, but got cut off halfway through by the news.
You almost got your point across Ian. You used some big words I didn't understand, proliferation? You got cut off 30 seconds after that.

Reckon you should try and get back on for another crack, the amount of country people that head to that area in summer and they are mostly listening to Bartlett in the morning while on the header (like me). Might be preaching to the converted though, I haven't met anybody outside Perth that likes that clown called Gallop.
And according to McGinty there are only 2 tourist attractions in WA the old growth forrests and whale sharks.

And we need to ban smoking in both these areas

Have another go at 'em Ian. Please.?

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RE: Gallop Screws Fisho's - 1 December 2004 6:50:30

Ian Stagles

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I was watching the clock tick down to midday Tony, but I didn't realise it got chopped off at the end. Ah well, try again.

There will be other opportunities I'm sure. I did manage to get on Paul Murray's show on 6PR in the morning but not when the Premier was there - I hope that was just a coincidence.

I can't see the Coalition sharing Dr Gallop's view on Marine Parks as a way of dividing the community.

A few letters to the West Australian on the subject would help to keep the issue alive, as far as the occasional anglers and general public are concerned. So it would be really good to see some of our website names in print. You can email letters to: letters@wanews.com.au but you must include your postal address and telephone number.

The point that is missed by uninformed members of the public, and some of the Save Ningaloo for Us campaign, is that recreational anglers are not in fact against sanctuary zones. It is the proliferation of multiple no-take areas with no clear achieveable outcomes that ****ses us off. It is the fact that the Government conspired with the Greens, and the lock 'em out conservationists, against recreational fishers.

Recreational fishing representatives worked very hard with the many departments within government, including the Premier's own department, to get a workable outcome for Ningaloo - but Dr Gallop wouldn't talk to us, I wonder why? The sanctuary zones we proposed would have been complimented by other measures that would have ultimately improved the long-term protection of the area and had community support, but Good News Geoff said no!

The truth behind the way this whole thing was handled by the Gallop government will unfold in the weeks to come. But if you thought Ningaloo was selfish and wrong wait until you see what the Gallop government has in mind for recreational fishers at Rowley Shoals and Monte Bello Isalnds....

Please point out when writing or talking to people about Ningaloo that recreational fishers are not despoilers of the marine environment, as the Save Ningaloo for Us campaigners would have the public believe.

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RE: Gallop Screws Fisho's - 1 December 2004 14:05:10

Phil Hodgson

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Fred Reibling would have to rate as the number one target in the coming election. It will be interesting to see how he plays his hand -he can run with pack of dogs he is with now or he can demonstrate his claim of representing his electorate by resigning from his party and running as an independant. His party is at odds with his people-it's decision time Fred-your choice.

This is about rec-fishing-caravan parks-hotels-charter operators-dive shops-fishing shops etc and above all the people who run them and their families.

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RE: Gallop Screws Fisho's - 2 December 2004 10:02:20

Ian Stagles

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Those of you that have read the front page of today's West will see that the Gallop government has backed away from World Heritage listing for Ningaloo. Well, well, the only policy that Honest Dr Geoff promised for Ningaloo at the last election is in the bin!

No, he didn't promise to increase fishing closures by 350%, but he did promise to seek World Heritage listing. I'd mark that down as another failure - twice.

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RE: Gallop Screws Fisho's - 2 December 2004 10:26:36

Dennis BryanSmith

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I havent been able to log into the wangler site password stuff up etc ... Ningaloo is indeed a very hot topic at the moment but so are other areas like Montes and Dampier Archipelago and the reason Dampier hasnt been anounced /implemented is because locals have had help from the current sitting member Fred Riebling so for those uninformed people he has stuck his head out to help and he has been involved on many other issues concerning rec fishers so the facts are that without Freds help the Dampier archipelago would be in a far worse state off locked out areas .. and professional presence .. ..pearling ..pro fishing ..etc ..i say give credit where credit is due .......He has made his decision on where he stands on Ningaloo and has publicly stated that ... he is also aware that he doesnt have much hope of swaying some of his fellow members to his side of thinking ... and maybe he may decide to go independant ....what i havent read or heard anywhere yet is another party that will reverse the decision on Ningaloo

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RE: Gallop Screws Fisho's - 2 December 2004 10:56:23

Ian Stagles

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and maybe he may decide to go independant ....

If Fred wants anglers to take him seriously, going independent is his only option Dennis.

I sympathise with his position, but the simple reality is that if the Gallop government is returned anglers will get shafted, no matter what Fred says - simply opposing the governments position means absolutely nothing in my book. The redistribution of electoral boundaries has put the Ningaloo Marine Park fiasco hot potatoe rigt the sitting members lap.

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RE: Gallop Screws Fisho's - 2 December 2004 11:20:10

Lance Collins

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Maybe it is time that the Liberal candidate for Northwest Coastal, David Hay was heard on this issue. [I know he visits this website]

David needs to address this issue with his party and then let us all know exactly where he and the Liberal party stand. I know he is personally aghast at the Gallop Government's actions but can he get his party to stand up and fight to reverse this injustice?

I certainly hope so but I am not holding my breath.

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RE: Gallop Screws Fisho's - 2 December 2004 11:20:39

Dennis BryanSmith

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Yep Stags .. the new boundaries certainly have been dumped in Freds unwanted lap ..what the whole of the state needs is consultation/participation on any issues relating to the environment .. Gallops advisors have i hope miscalculated the reaction to the Ningaloo decision ... my vote will go to the party that will consult and provide participation and undertake to make changes based on community input ... Gallop should loose his position over THIS . i.m.h.o. it is very obvious that a single member cannot change things so we need it to be a party endorsed line .. lets hear from the opposition parties what they will or wont do ....

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RE: Gallop Screws Fisho's - 2 December 2004 11:47:58

Graham Baldwin

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Denis I think you may be wrong in regards to a sitting member if he decided to resign his membership of the party now over this issue and nominate himself as a inderpendant, it would send a clear message to the party that the North West cannot be treated lightly.

I would consider most ardent labor supporters would view his position as putting the region he represents above the political aspirations of the party and vote for him.

I must also state generally I do not support inderpendants as there real effect is limited unless they hold the balance of power. Looking in from SA all I see is a man (Gallop) desperate to retain his job and he will do a deal with the devil (Greens) to help his re-election.

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RE: Gallop Screws Fisho's - 3 December 2004 3:35:27

Ken Lindsay

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Don't know if this helps, but its quite bizarre that with Gallop behaving this way with fishing and rural issues, his mentor and Oxford mate Blair is screwing the British countryside over hunting and rural/urban planning. Over there, farmers are withdrawing support for government activities and not allowing army access to land (very important in the UK) and preventing their land being used for telecommunications towers and wind farms etc. Slightly different around Ningaloo I guess with the leases, but if cockies in the south west and wheatbelt supported the move against Gallop, you might have some interesting outcomes.

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RE: Gallop Screws Fisho's - 4 December 2004 16:39:59

Greg Dale

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Pretty controversial for a 3rd-ever pots, but here goes...

I'm not convinced that the sanctuary zones are a bad idea. Coral reefs are under pressure from many sources other than fishing. Probably the most serious is coral bleaching associated with rising sea temperatures. This is only likely to get worse with time. Nor is there any doubt that Ningaloo cops a lot of recreational fishing pressure. I can recall reading about studies showing when predators high in the food chain are removed en masse (think spanglies) things like urchins, starfish and marine snails increase in number and can disrupt the ecosystem causing coral to die and be replaced by algae. I think they have had big problems in the Carribean with this.

Anyway, given that the reef is under increasing pressure, it doesn't seem like a bad idea to set aside areas with one of the sources of pressure (i.e. fishing) removed. At least as long as you stop boats anchoring on the coral, protect it from other pressures as far as possible and police it properly so you don't just penalise the honest fisho's.

I'm not saying the fishing ban couldn't be better implemented - there doesn't seem to be any reason for stopping people trolling up mackies and other pelagics. But setting aside 34% as an insurance policy seems reasonable to me.

It'll have its upsides too. Higher fish densities in sanctuary zones may assist recruitment to other areas of the reef. And I'm guessing that 2 or 3 years down the track there will be some absolute horse-sized spanglies taken off the beaches in the sanctuary zones.

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